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and, every working american's taxes will go up january 1st if they do nothing about the payroll tax, a pretty big increase, and, defense cuts and everyone agrees, with that policy to have middle class americans' taxes go up, and, it totally irresponsible defense cuts and this is what congress thinks is a good deal. >> chris: i'm not sure it is a good deal but avoids the worst of the fiscal cliff. senator bayh -- obviously, we don't know, what is your sense, no filibuster in the senate? you heard lindsay graham and do republicans pass whatever the senate agrees to? >> the odds are somewhat better than 50/50 we get a minimal deal in the senate. not one that solves our debt problem, as you pointed out earlier and this is a prequel to going through it again around the first of march over the debt ceiling and getting us through this crisis, slightly better than 50-50 and the real question is in the house of representatives and will it be enough of a compromise, that enh republicans can vote for it, to get through the house? i put that at 50-50. >> chris: byron, the most we can say, or wil
and, every working american's taxes will go up january 1st if they do nothing about the payroll tax, a pretty big increase, and, defense cuts and everyone agrees, with that policy to have middle class americans' taxes go up, and, it totally irresponsible defense cuts and this is what congress thinks is a good deal. >> chris: i'm not sure it is a good deal but avoids the worst of the fiscal cliff. senator bayh -- obviously, we don't know, what is your sense, no filibuster in the senate?...
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he said the 1 requirement i have for any deal is hiking tax rates. the reason that boehner was not able to do plan b was because it involved breaching the principle, which he did openly and said he was ready to do it. there were conservatives who would not do it. that is not a figure of the party that will be extremely hard to reconcile. if you can not, how you get a deal done before january 1? >> that is essentially the problem the president faced with boehner two years ago. last year. can he deliver? how can you negotiate with someone who cannot deliver on his side? >> you go to people for support, at least three of whom have lost their committee assignments. how can you expect them to come over to your way of thinking? >> they were crowing when john boehner went down, taking some delight, but that was pre- cleared by the leadership. the leadership was with him. this is not a question of -- quite bluntly, leaving and losing their virginity on the issue of tax cuts. it is an important thing for these republicans who have not voted. no republican in
he said the 1 requirement i have for any deal is hiking tax rates. the reason that boehner was not able to do plan b was because it involved breaching the principle, which he did openly and said he was ready to do it. there were conservatives who would not do it. that is not a figure of the party that will be extremely hard to reconcile. if you can not, how you get a deal done before january 1? >> that is essentially the problem the president faced with boehner two years ago. last year....
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give the president his tax hike on the rich now. fight him on everything else when taxes aren't part of the conversation. fight him on everything else in six weeks when the debt ceiling is hit or eight weeks, 12 weeks, whenever that fight happens, and do that. i do think that mcconnell -- that's where he wants to be. can he get there in the next 24 hours? that's what we don't know. >> tom brokaw? >> well, it seems to me that the middle class is going to have a date for the prom. everybody is talking about protecting the middle class here. so i think this deal will probably get done around the middle class tax cut. it's at what level. $400,000 or $250,000 or some other number. which is going to be critically important. a lot of people don't realize in a large urban and suburban areas of america, $250,000 doesn't make you rich. have you two kids in college at $60,000. if you're a boomer, you may have a dependent parent of some kind. spending another $20,000 or $25,000 on that. you have to have a definition of what is the middle class.
give the president his tax hike on the rich now. fight him on everything else when taxes aren't part of the conversation. fight him on everything else in six weeks when the debt ceiling is hit or eight weeks, 12 weeks, whenever that fight happens, and do that. i do think that mcconnell -- that's where he wants to be. can he get there in the next 24 hours? that's what we don't know. >> tom brokaw? >> well, it seems to me that the middle class is going to have a date for the prom....
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take the tax issue -- give the president his tax hike on the rich now. fight him on everything else when taxes aren't part of the conversation. fight him on everything else in six weeks when the debt ceiling is hit or eight weeks, 12 weeks, whenever that fight happens, and do that. i do think that mcconnell -- that's where he wants to be. can he get there in the next 24 hours? that's what we don't know. >> tom brokaw? >> well, it seems to me that the middle class is going to have a date for the prom. everybody is talking about protecting the middle class here. so i think this deal will probably get done around the middle class tax cut. it's at what level. $400,000 or $250,000 or some other number. which is going to be critically important. a lot of people don't realize in a large urban and suburban areas of america, $250,000 doesn't make you rich. have you two kids in college at $60,000. if you're a boomer, you may have a dependent parent of some kind. spending another $20,000 or $25,000 on that. you have to have a definition of what is the middle class.
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amt, the alternative minimum tax. a fix so that won't hit 20 million more americans. >> that is exactly right. >> chris: let me focus on the tax rates. that has been the biggest issue in the whole debate. the president wants to extend the tax rates on families making less than $250,000 a year. senator graham is that acceptable or does the threshold for when you start to make the bush tax rates go away does it have to be higher? some people said $400,000 and $500,000. how confident are you that the house which refused to set the mark at a million dollars will pass any tax rate increase? >> if democrats will vote for the deal in the house if they are allowed to vote for whatever the senate passes there will be enough republicans but boehner needs a majority of the republican party. in 2010 we extended all of the tax cuts because the economy was weak. we are not going to extend all of the tax cuts but the economy is weaker. i don't understand the economics but i do understand the politics. the president won. the presiden
amt, the alternative minimum tax. a fix so that won't hit 20 million more americans. >> that is exactly right. >> chris: let me focus on the tax rates. that has been the biggest issue in the whole debate. the president wants to extend the tax rates on families making less than $250,000 a year. senator graham is that acceptable or does the threshold for when you start to make the bush tax rates go away does it have to be higher? some people said $400,000 and $500,000. how confident...
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the expiration of the tax cuts with a $2200 average tax high. the payroll tax cut would also expire meaning another $40 a paycheck and long-term unemployment benefits would end for 2 million americans. while these elements could have a recession-inducing effect, they could undo those measures shortly after the first of the year. estimations are if we do go over the cliff it would be the third quarter which the recession may hit. when be look at the issue of a -- the markets, however, may feel the brunt of the fiscal cliff fallout. the dow fell on friday after the deal failed the night before. last week fitch warned it may downgrade the u.s. credit rating if congress cannot reach a deal. some lawmakers are angling for the best political outcountry. >> when i listen to the president, i think he's eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. he gets all this additional tax revenue for new programs, gets to cut the military which democrats have been calling for for years, and he gets to blame republicans for it. implts joining me are off and o
the expiration of the tax cuts with a $2200 average tax high. the payroll tax cut would also expire meaning another $40 a paycheck and long-term unemployment benefits would end for 2 million americans. while these elements could have a recession-inducing effect, they could undo those measures shortly after the first of the year. estimations are if we do go over the cliff it would be the third quarter which the recession may hit. when be look at the issue of a -- the markets, however, may feel...
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take the tax issue -- give the president his tax hike on the rich now. fight him on everything else when taxes aren't part of the conversation. fight him on everything else in six weeks when the debt ceiling is hit or eight weeks, 12 weeks, whenever that fight happens, and do that. i do think that mcconnell -- that's where he wants to be. can he get there in the next 24 hours? that's what we don't know. >> tom brokaw? >> well, it seems to me that the middle class is going to have a date for the prom. everybody is talking about protecting the middle class here. so i think this deal will probably get done around the middle class tax cut. it's at what level. $400,000 or $250,000 or some other number. which is going to be critically important. a lot of people don't realize in a large urban and suburban areas of america, $250,000 doesn't make you rich. have you two kids in college at $60,000. if you're a boomer, you may have a dependent parent of some kind. spending another $20,000 or $25,000 on that. you have to have a definition of what is the middle class.
take the tax issue -- give the president his tax hike on the rich now. fight him on everything else when taxes aren't part of the conversation. fight him on everything else in six weeks when the debt ceiling is hit or eight weeks, 12 weeks, whenever that fight happens, and do that. i do think that mcconnell -- that's where he wants to be. can he get there in the next 24 hours? that's what we don't know. >> tom brokaw? >> well, it seems to me that the middle class is going to have a...
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rate should be as well as on taxes on small business as well as the death tax. they are very divided on this issue. >> the estate tax. yeah. so let me have you answer that. i have another subject i want to bring up. do you think there will be a deal and that most taxes will not go up? >> we're not there yet, but i'm hoping in a bipartisan way we can get something done before new year's day. >> okay. let me -- i wanted to play you something else, because you were an immigration lawyer before you came in, continues to be something you're interested in. and the president was talking about priorities for this year and here's what he had to say. >> i've said that fixing our broken immigration system is a top priority. i will introduce legislation in the first year to get that done. i think we have talked about it long enough, we know how we can fix it, we can do it in a grow hensive way that the american -- comprehensive way the american people support, that's something we should get done. >> sounds like it could be a done deal. talked enough about it. >> i think he
rate should be as well as on taxes on small business as well as the death tax. they are very divided on this issue. >> the estate tax. yeah. so let me have you answer that. i have another subject i want to bring up. do you think there will be a deal and that most taxes will not go up? >> we're not there yet, but i'm hoping in a bipartisan way we can get something done before new year's day. >> okay. let me -- i wanted to play you something else, because you were an immigration...
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in which case middle class taxes will not go up. if that doesn't happen, then democrats in the senate will put a bill on the floor of the senate, and republicans will have to decide if they are going to block it, which will mean that middle class taxes do go up. i don't think they would want to do that politically, but they may end up doing it. and if all else fails, if republicans do, in fact, decide to block it so that taxes on middle class families do go up on january 1st, then we'll come back with a new congress on january 4th, and the first bill that will be introduced on the floor will be to cut taxes on middle class families. and, you know, i don't think the average person is going to say, gosh, you know r, that's a real partisan agenda on the part of either the president or democrats in congress. i think people will say that makes sense because that's what the economy needs right now. so one way or another we'll get through this. do i wish that things were more orderly in washington and rational and people listened to the be
in which case middle class taxes will not go up. if that doesn't happen, then democrats in the senate will put a bill on the floor of the senate, and republicans will have to decide if they are going to block it, which will mean that middle class taxes do go up. i don't think they would want to do that politically, but they may end up doing it. and if all else fails, if republicans do, in fact, decide to block it so that taxes on middle class families do go up on january 1st, then we'll come...
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people ma taxes will go up for everyone. you can see the numbers here, 40 to 65,000, it's $2,000 of a tax hike. so as constituents, if they were to call you and they say why is this happening, what are you going to say to them? >> well, first of all, that's not going to happen. we may go off the cliff on january 1st but we would correct that very quickly thereafter. what i'm telling them is the reason it's happening is we have idey ideologues in the house of representatives who don't believe there's a fiscal side of the budget. they're focused on cutting spending in unprecedented ways and they don't believe in taxes essentially. on the budget committee we've seen this day in and day out. these members of the house, and i don't know how many of them there are, but at least 50 or 60 basically have established a record in which ne hathey have firmly embraced the concept of not raising taxes and serious cuts that they put themselves in a box and they really can't get out and that's really tying up everything. because we can do a
people ma taxes will go up for everyone. you can see the numbers here, 40 to 65,000, it's $2,000 of a tax hike. so as constituents, if they were to call you and they say why is this happening, what are you going to say to them? >> well, first of all, that's not going to happen. we may go off the cliff on january 1st but we would correct that very quickly thereafter. what i'm telling them is the reason it's happening is we have idey ideologues in the house of representatives who don't...
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the tax policy center. the annual income from somebody in the $50,000 to $75,000, about a $2,400 increase. jumping ahead to $100,000 to $200,000, the average tax increase, $6,600. tacking at that great divide of the wealthy, over $250,000, at least a $11,000 tax hike. over $1 million, more than $254,000. >> hampton, looking at that number, that's for those americans working right now. there are still struggling americans, millions looking for work and what's the fiscal cliff mean for them? >> reporter: okay. we have unemployment at 7.7% last month and mainly went down because people gave up looking for work and jdropped out of th job market and out of work six months or longer. 4.8 million americans, they're the folks worried the most about unemployment benefits not extended after the first of the year. >> as we look at that number, that's staggering for so many. we have a "the washington post" poll that indicates 74% of americans support raising taxes on the top earners in this country. with that support t
the tax policy center. the annual income from somebody in the $50,000 to $75,000, about a $2,400 increase. jumping ahead to $100,000 to $200,000, the average tax increase, $6,600. tacking at that great divide of the wealthy, over $250,000, at least a $11,000 tax hike. over $1 million, more than $254,000. >> hampton, looking at that number, that's for those americans working right now. there are still struggling americans, millions looking for work and what's the fiscal cliff mean for...
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all the bush tax cuts expire, the payroll tax cuts expire. doctors participating in medicare, see their reimbursements cut by more than 25%. good luck getting a doctor then. more than a trillion dollars in spending cuts are triggered. the economy probably falls back into recession, and merry christmas and happy new year from washington to you, the american people. heard about the offers and the counteroffers president obama and house speaker john boehner put on the table. if you live in the game area, you're going to be reading about the cliff whether you like it or not. we at starbucks have an opportunity and i believe a responsibility to use our company's scale for good, by sending a respectful and optimistic message to our officials to come together and reach important ground. this week, through december 28th, partners at our washington, d.c., area stores are writing come together on customer's cups. i am hugely in favor of this new starbucks initiative. not because i think writing come together on coffee cups will bring anybody in washing
all the bush tax cuts expire, the payroll tax cuts expire. doctors participating in medicare, see their reimbursements cut by more than 25%. good luck getting a doctor then. more than a trillion dollars in spending cuts are triggered. the economy probably falls back into recession, and merry christmas and happy new year from washington to you, the american people. heard about the offers and the counteroffers president obama and house speaker john boehner put on the table. if you live in the...
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the nonpartisan tax policy center calculate that is the average middle class family would see its tax rates -- its tax bills rise next year by $2,000. the fiscal cliff isn't the only thing rattling the economy. in just a few weeks lawmakers will begin battling over the debt ceiling. you may recall that in the summer of 2011 the debt limit standoff led to the first ever downgrade of the nation's credit rating. joining us now from capitol hill is cnbc's aman jabbers. appreciate you helping us make sense of all of this. >> happy new year. thank you for having me. >> on a less happy note, there are economists who are saying this whole fight over the fiscal cliff, the rangeling in washington has already caused a hit on the economy. can you explain sort of what the impact of the debate has been. >> you dw definitely seen it. ju as early as friday when we report that the president was not making his new offer with offers down at the white house. we saw the stock market sell off rather dramatically just in those couple of minutes as that news was coming out. i got to say that over the past 24
the nonpartisan tax policy center calculate that is the average middle class family would see its tax rates -- its tax bills rise next year by $2,000. the fiscal cliff isn't the only thing rattling the economy. in just a few weeks lawmakers will begin battling over the debt ceiling. you may recall that in the summer of 2011 the debt limit standoff led to the first ever downgrade of the nation's credit rating. joining us now from capitol hill is cnbc's aman jabbers. appreciate you helping us...
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on taxes, i know it's hard for the republicans but the president ran on that platform, 250, no tax increase for people below but taxes for people above. 60% of the voters said they were for it in the exit polls, including some republicans and yet our republican colleagues by refusing to go along with revenues are risking the fiscal cliff and make no mistake about it. if we go over, god forbid and i still don't think we have to, the american people are going to blame the republican party and they'll come right back and pass something. so i don't think the middle class is at risk. if we go over the cliff, our republicans colleagues will come back and go uh-oh and pass the bill we passed in senate already. >> can check hagel become secretary of defense if he's the republican's nominee? >> a lot of republicans have asked hard questions. i don't think he's going to get many republicans votes. i like chuck but his positions are really out of the mainstream and well to the left of the president. i think it would be a challenging nominations but the hearings will matter. chuck will have a chance to
on taxes, i know it's hard for the republicans but the president ran on that platform, 250, no tax increase for people below but taxes for people above. 60% of the voters said they were for it in the exit polls, including some republicans and yet our republican colleagues by refusing to go along with revenues are risking the fiscal cliff and make no mistake about it. if we go over, god forbid and i still don't think we have to, the american people are going to blame the republican party and...
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that plan would block tax hikes for those earning $250,000. it would extend unemployment benefits to 2 million americans and put off spending cuts until the new year brings a new congress. our expert on all matters relating to the fiscal cliff is dana bash. she joins me now from washington. dana, great to see you again. tell me does even a band-aid approach work? >> it's going to be tough. this is all math. but it really has to do with the math with regard to votes. and democrats especially who i'm talking to in the senate which is probably where this will originate, the reality is that democrats don't hold a very big majority. her going to need to have a handful of republicans to cross party lines and vote with them on the whole concept of raising any taxes. especially what the president wants which is something that is raising taxes on all americans making more than $250,000. that's the senate. never mind the house, which of course, made clear to the house speaker that they won't even go for something that's a million dollars or more when it
that plan would block tax hikes for those earning $250,000. it would extend unemployment benefits to 2 million americans and put off spending cuts until the new year brings a new congress. our expert on all matters relating to the fiscal cliff is dana bash. she joins me now from washington. dana, great to see you again. tell me does even a band-aid approach work? >> it's going to be tough. this is all math. but it really has to do with the math with regard to votes. and democrats...
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>> if all tax rates go up, any deal can be called a tax cut. it's simple like that. if you go over the cliff, anything's a tax cut. >> if you do it now how's it interpreted? >> the interpretation will some primary voters is you danced around on rates. >> or they pass a bill cutting taxes continuing the bush tax cuts for under $500,000 a year. something they agree on. >> because of what bob's saying is they're worried some voters are going to look at that -- >> unaware of reality that they would confuse this week with next week in terms of the same results. >> governor norquist agrees with you. but some republicans especially in the house who are unwilling to make the plan "b" type deal. >> but in the end where do you think it's going to end up? $500,000? $600,000? >> it's going to be in the middle. closer to obama's $400,000. >> i think that's about right. sounds about like $400,000. >> which leaves out less than 2% of the people. >> absolutely. >> people say that's an average income. most people make about $40,000 a year. that's average. $40,000 and that's with thre
>> if all tax rates go up, any deal can be called a tax cut. it's simple like that. if you go over the cliff, anything's a tax cut. >> if you do it now how's it interpreted? >> the interpretation will some primary voters is you danced around on rates. >> or they pass a bill cutting taxes continuing the bush tax cuts for under $500,000 a year. something they agree on. >> because of what bob's saying is they're worried some voters are going to look at that --...
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tax uncertainty is very high. you still have a reasonable amount of credit concerns in the marketplace and certain geographic sectors. so i think it's not surprising that there would be some nervousness. >> and what specifically, chris, is being discussed? any change in the tax free rate could mean there's much less opportunity or that what you are getting for putting your money into munis isn't justified. you know, it's early in the morning here in new york. in particular, just talk us through what changes would make nis as an asset class not attractive, in your view. >> well, the basic problem is that the u.s. treasury department has hated the municipal bond market at least since 1969. so they view themselves as providing a subsidy and that subsidy has an associated cost which currently they value at $30 billion. so it's one of the many items on the list that's a tax subsidy that many people would like to get rid of in washington without any regard, by the way, for the benefits the taxes of financing provide. so
tax uncertainty is very high. you still have a reasonable amount of credit concerns in the marketplace and certain geographic sectors. so i think it's not surprising that there would be some nervousness. >> and what specifically, chris, is being discussed? any change in the tax free rate could mean there's much less opportunity or that what you are getting for putting your money into munis isn't justified. you know, it's early in the morning here in new york. in particular, just talk us...
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the alternative minimum tax is one that people talk about. the estate tax. these are all things that would affect average americans and which would hit on january 1st. so the fiscal cliff, it might be even bigger than people realize. don? >> lisa, thank you very much. >>> we've got a lot more planned for you this saturday night. here's what else is ahead. as our lawmakers wrestle with u.s. gun violence, chicago hits an awful milestone. 500 murders this year and counting. what's to blame? a former gang member and chicago's police superintendent join me live. >>> plus, president obama could tap this republican to lead the defense department. but not everyone wants to see a secretary hagel. why some of the loudest voices with coming from his own party. >>> and 2012 is almost history. but what's the takeaway? comedian dean obeidallah schools us. >>> and also good news to tell you about a story we have been reporting on tonight. two missing georgia boys have been found safe in austin, texas. their father, the man who allegedly kidnapped them has been taken into c
the alternative minimum tax is one that people talk about. the estate tax. these are all things that would affect average americans and which would hit on january 1st. so the fiscal cliff, it might be even bigger than people realize. don? >> lisa, thank you very much. >>> we've got a lot more planned for you this saturday night. here's what else is ahead. as our lawmakers wrestle with u.s. gun violence, chicago hits an awful milestone. 500 murders this year and counting. what's...
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everybody's taxes would go up. you won't feel that immediately with most of these things, but with unemployment insurance and others, you will. there will be a grass roots feeling among americans. if you look at the polls, republicans will get blamed. they themselves are wary of this. that's why democrats would politically feel inclined to go over the cliff. there will be so much on republicans, this might be the only way they agree to raise taxes. >> not to mention in the next senate too. 55 democrats and four seats in the house. >> quickly for both of you, we covered this today. i'm surprised by the lack of urgency. does that surprise you as well? >> this is not the debt ceiling. say we are working through the weekends and training mcconnell and biden on the phone and the president involved. really to take christmas off facing the fiscal cliff in a week shows how little optimism there is. >> i completely agree. we spent many late nights in the capital and is it doesn't seem like that is going to happen. >> amazin
everybody's taxes would go up. you won't feel that immediately with most of these things, but with unemployment insurance and others, you will. there will be a grass roots feeling among americans. if you look at the polls, republicans will get blamed. they themselves are wary of this. that's why democrats would politically feel inclined to go over the cliff. there will be so much on republicans, this might be the only way they agree to raise taxes. >> not to mention in the next senate...
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the alternative minimum tax is one that people talk about. the estate tax. these are all things that would affect average americans and which would hit on january 1st. so the fiscal cliff, it might be even bigger than people realize. don? >> lisa, thank you very much. >>> we've got a lot more planned for you this saturday night. here's what else is ahead. as our lawmakers wrestle with u.s. gun violence, chicago hits an awful milestone. 500 murders this year and counting. what's to blame? a former gang member and chicago's police superintendent join me live. >>> plus, president obama could tap this republican to lead the defense department. but not everyone wants to see a secretary hagel. why some of the loudest voices with coming from his own party. >>> and 2012 is almost history. but what's the takeaway? comedian dean obeidallah schools us with his top ten lessons of 2012. >>> and also good news to tell you about a story we have been reporting on tonight. two missing georgia boys have been found safe in austin, texas. their father, the man who allegedly kid
the alternative minimum tax is one that people talk about. the estate tax. these are all things that would affect average americans and which would hit on january 1st. so the fiscal cliff, it might be even bigger than people realize. don? >> lisa, thank you very much. >>> we've got a lot more planned for you this saturday night. here's what else is ahead. as our lawmakers wrestle with u.s. gun violence, chicago hits an awful milestone. 500 murders this year and counting. what's...
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at that point republicans can support a deal without voting for a tax increase, in fact, because tax rates have automatically reset higher, they can say now we're voting for a big tax cut for the broad middle class. >> is that what's going to ensure that speaker boehner is not in danger is it. >> right. i mean, that's where someone earlier said, you know, he's got to figure out whether he's for the country or for his own job. in many ways he's preserving his own job by not pushing a vote by which the only way that vote would get over the legislative would be with a majority of democrats. he doesn't want to do that to preserve his job. once we go over the cliff, we can possibly do more of a bungee jump if we reverse the damage quickly. in that vote republicans don't have to vote for a tax increase, which to me is absolutely ridiculous in terms of serving the economy and the country, but i guess the politics makes sense to some of these guys. >>> jared bernstein, thank you. the storm is coming. look at that storm, the symptom is coming behind you. >> you weren't talking about a fiscal
at that point republicans can support a deal without voting for a tax increase, in fact, because tax rates have automatically reset higher, they can say now we're voting for a big tax cut for the broad middle class. >> is that what's going to ensure that speaker boehner is not in danger is it. >> right. i mean, that's where someone earlier said, you know, he's got to figure out whether he's for the country or for his own job. in many ways he's preserving his own job by not pushing a...
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the payroll tax holiday will expire on new year's day. that means most people will start paying more taxes in each paycheck. another 21 million americans would lose federal emergency unemployment benefits and those, let's remember, are people struggling the most right now. across the entire economy going over the cliff could slow the current growth rate of 3.1% and risk sparking another recession. joining us now to break it down from washington is cnbc's john harwood. thanks for being here. >> hey, ari. >> remind us where we were before plan b, how far apart were the last comprehensive offers between the president and negotiators? >> a few hundred billion dollars, which is a lot of money, sounds like a lot of money, but in the context of a ten-year budget deal when you have some very large programs that can be tweaked one way or another, is not that much. they were within shouting distance if the speaker could bring his caucus along to support the deal that he was promoting and getting close to striking with the president, but it's clear
the payroll tax holiday will expire on new year's day. that means most people will start paying more taxes in each paycheck. another 21 million americans would lose federal emergency unemployment benefits and those, let's remember, are people struggling the most right now. across the entire economy going over the cliff could slow the current growth rate of 3.1% and risk sparking another recession. joining us now to break it down from washington is cnbc's john harwood. thanks for being here....
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and corporate tax reform. i mean, i think there's a real opportunity there on reforming the overall code, but dealing with corporate taxes and dealing -- you know, he started to reach out to business leaders over the course of this conversation on the fiscal cliff. i think that's going to be another thing he looks at. >> now, a couple of things you mentioned in there. immigration reform, maybe corporate tax reform. what we saw in the first term, largely, was sort of intractability, that the president proposed things, health care, economic stimulus got three republican votes, one of whom, arlen specter, was no longer -- became a democrat by the time the election happened. are these things post-election things that republicans can get behind? because we just had an election and here we are, you know, a month and a half later, and we're at the same place with the fiscal cliff that i feel like we were six months ago! >> yeah, well, we've been here, done this, but i think it is possible, i think immigration reform,
and corporate tax reform. i mean, i think there's a real opportunity there on reforming the overall code, but dealing with corporate taxes and dealing -- you know, he started to reach out to business leaders over the course of this conversation on the fiscal cliff. i think that's going to be another thing he looks at. >> now, a couple of things you mentioned in there. immigration reform, maybe corporate tax reform. what we saw in the first term, largely, was sort of intractability, that...
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extend the tax cuts only for the 250 and below. you kick the sequester down the road, you patch the amt and medicare fix. all that. if the speaker is willing to put that to a vote, i suspect it would pass in the house and we actually could have a compromise before the end of the year. but it would pass with mostly democratic votes. and the likelihood he's going to want to do that seems to me very slim. that's why i think we're probably going over the cliff. now, my hope is that it's more of a bungee jump than a cliff dive. because on the other side there's some dynamics that change such that republicans can vote for a big tax decrease off of what will then be current law. >> jared, you've got a post -- i just want to go back for a moment. while this ping-pong game is going on in washington, you've got a post on your blog showing the real drag this is having on consumer confidence. so, i mean, what can the president do to protect the economy and try to restore some degree of confidence while these negotiations are going on? >> i thi
extend the tax cuts only for the 250 and below. you kick the sequester down the road, you patch the amt and medicare fix. all that. if the speaker is willing to put that to a vote, i suspect it would pass in the house and we actually could have a compromise before the end of the year. but it would pass with mostly democratic votes. and the likelihood he's going to want to do that seems to me very slim. that's why i think we're probably going over the cliff. now, my hope is that it's more of a...
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>> no, it doesn't raise taxes. those tax increases will go into effect. there's no bill before the congress that raises taxes. there are many bills that are trying to stop those taxes in various forms. and let me be clear. i think the president's plan is an absolute disaster. a lot of those wealthy folks earning over $200,000 aren't even folks. they're small businesses, filing under sub-chapter "s," some 84% of net business income is affected by this tax increase. that's the income they use to create and expand two-thirds of the jobs in our economy. that is an absolutely insane economic policy, but that's at the core of what the president is trying to do. the cbo is warning us, $200,000 jobs will be destroyed by this policy. but if we can't stop it, the best we can do is offer every warning we can, and then try and save as many other taxpayers as possible. >> do you think the white house should add a little sweetener to the deal for some conservatives? for example, stalling the sequestration cuts and extending the current estate tax rates? >> oh, i don't
>> no, it doesn't raise taxes. those tax increases will go into effect. there's no bill before the congress that raises taxes. there are many bills that are trying to stop those taxes in various forms. and let me be clear. i think the president's plan is an absolute disaster. a lot of those wealthy folks earning over $200,000 aren't even folks. they're small businesses, filing under sub-chapter "s," some 84% of net business income is affected by this tax increase. that's the...
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, they will have a tax cut. i think people have been thinking all along that really if push comes to shove, we'll do it in the new year and that seems to be what's developing. >> it creates an interesting dynamic, you'd have a new congress sworn in on january 3rd and ordinarily everyone goes home, get your picture taken, that's it. you're essentially swearing in a new congress and moving to the floor. that's something we haven't seen in quite a while, i'd say in the modern era. >> one of the odd things on the first day is elect a speaker. the majority party puts up -- this time it would be john boehner. the minority puts up their chosen leader, this time nancy pelosi. it's usually pro forma, but this time it has a real weight to it, because one of the reasons we're in this situation right now is because we're waiting for john boehner to be reelected to speaker of the house before they make a move, because only if 16 or 17 republicans don't vote for the guy, he could lose. they just want to wait. >> that's, i thi
, they will have a tax cut. i think people have been thinking all along that really if push comes to shove, we'll do it in the new year and that seems to be what's developing. >> it creates an interesting dynamic, you'd have a new congress sworn in on january 3rd and ordinarily everyone goes home, get your picture taken, that's it. you're essentially swearing in a new congress and moving to the floor. that's something we haven't seen in quite a while, i'd say in the modern era. >>...
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politically, members of congress will have to vet on tax cuts as opposed to now which are tax increases which are much harder to take. >> that's right. because the tax hikes will happen whether or not congress acts, so the school of thought here is that if republicans and temp kratz were to allow this just to happen, then they could vote for infect only tax cuts, not be on the record voting for tax hikes. now for the very staunch anti tax folks, it's unclear if that would really pass muster with them, but certainly this is something being considered you know, dana. >> absolutely. i'm sure the markets won't know that. brianna, good to see you. while in hawaii, president obama and first lady michelle obama paid their respects to late senator daniel inouye. inouye died last week from a respiratory illness. he was 88 years old. following that the president went to visit the grave of his old grandfather who is buried at the very same cemetery. >> he will be missed and remembered, as he was on sunday. >>> christmas eve, of course. crunch time for holiday travelers. a big storm out west, delay
politically, members of congress will have to vet on tax cuts as opposed to now which are tax increases which are much harder to take. >> that's right. because the tax hikes will happen whether or not congress acts, so the school of thought here is that if republicans and temp kratz were to allow this just to happen, then they could vote for infect only tax cuts, not be on the record voting for tax hikes. now for the very staunch anti tax folks, it's unclear if that would really pass...
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we're going to see a lot of tax changes. payroll tax holiday. that would expire, and that means that the amount taken out of your paycheck would go from 4.2% to 6.2%, so that means if you're making $50,000 a year, it means $83 a month comes out of your paycheck. over the cliff it means you have a delay in tax refunds for the 2012 returns and that's because there's yet to be a decision made. also at stake, spending cuts. that can impact jobs. there will be big cuts to defense. that could put about 300,000 jobs at risk. unemployment benefits are cut, meaning about 2 million long-term unemployed run out of benefits. let's not forget the doctors in this. they face a 20% cut to payments for treating medicare he patients. that's a small sampling. i haven't mentioned the overall impact to the economy. company cans will continue holding off on hiring even more than now. many people believe we'll go into a reception, and the list seems to go on and on. if you want to read more about this, go to cnnmoney. it breaks it all down. they get into the numbers f
we're going to see a lot of tax changes. payroll tax holiday. that would expire, and that means that the amount taken out of your paycheck would go from 4.2% to 6.2%, so that means if you're making $50,000 a year, it means $83 a month comes out of your paycheck. over the cliff it means you have a delay in tax refunds for the 2012 returns and that's because there's yet to be a decision made. also at stake, spending cuts. that can impact jobs. there will be big cuts to defense. that could put...
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is it just numbers in terms of tax brackets, were specific tax proposals? guest: believe what the two are fighting over is the threshold of the tax rates -- who is wealthy? people who make over $250,000 a year, or should that number be higher, $400,000, $500,000? another big sticking point is the estate tax. this has received a preferential tax rate dating back to the bush era tax cuts. it was extended again two years ago. that is the real sticking point. it divides the senate democrats. there are a number of senate democrats up for reelection in 2014 that not want to see that tax rate rise. that is a political football here as well. host: as we are in the final hours, what is motivating congress more, public perception, the stock market's? guest: i think it is both of those things. the stock market, all of the analysts i have talked to, they built in a certain amount of time to give congress a face to work this out. increasingly, there is concern that if they do not work this out, the markets will react. particularly kagel we go over the cliff and there is
is it just numbers in terms of tax brackets, were specific tax proposals? guest: believe what the two are fighting over is the threshold of the tax rates -- who is wealthy? people who make over $250,000 a year, or should that number be higher, $400,000, $500,000? another big sticking point is the estate tax. this has received a preferential tax rate dating back to the bush era tax cuts. it was extended again two years ago. that is the real sticking point. it divides the senate democrats. there...
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tax group that i run, we want to continue the tax -- lower tax rates for all americans. we want to go to the tax reform that's in the paul ryan budget. the house of representatives has already pass ed twice the ryan budget, which reforms taxes for all americans, takes the top rate to 25%, which is what the europeans do for the business community. we want to go there. how do you get there? i'm not sure that defeating plan b strengthens our ability to get there. i think, in fact, that plan b was a good step in the right direction towards protecting and continuing the tax cuts for everybody. >> and do you think that republicans sort of shot themselves in the foot because they defeated this. at the end of the day, the votes might be there for tax increases that from the republican perspective, are even worse than what the speaker offered that they wouldn't let him even bring up for a vote. >> as i read the speaker's proposal, plan b, i thought it moved us in the direction of maintaining all the bush tax cu cuts. look, this is not a fight that begins and ends the first week o
tax group that i run, we want to continue the tax -- lower tax rates for all americans. we want to go to the tax reform that's in the paul ryan budget. the house of representatives has already pass ed twice the ryan budget, which reforms taxes for all americans, takes the top rate to 25%, which is what the europeans do for the business community. we want to go there. how do you get there? i'm not sure that defeating plan b strengthens our ability to get there. i think, in fact, that plan b was...
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this is the average tax hit families will take on top of what they already pay in taxes. so those who make below 10,000 will pay an average of about $300. going to the bottom level there, those who make between 40 and 50,000, they will have to pay an extra $1700 on average. looking at next set of numbers for wage earners. 50 to 75,000, they will have to find an extra $2300 to send to washington. if you managed to make over $200,000 on the income mark it will be a big jump up, send a check to uncle sam for on average, about 14 thou additional dollars. and the highest wage earners, here are those numbers. if you make between $500,000 to a million, you will pay on average $34,000 more. and if you make over a million, the irs will want $216,000 additional dollars from you on top of what you already pay in taxes. one financial advisor tells fox that the uncertainty of it all is making families less willing to spend money before or after christmas and it is making businesses less willing to hire new employees. kelly? kelly: that is the uncertainty we've been talking molly. my f
this is the average tax hit families will take on top of what they already pay in taxes. so those who make below 10,000 will pay an average of about $300. going to the bottom level there, those who make between 40 and 50,000, they will have to pay an extra $1700 on average. looking at next set of numbers for wage earners. 50 to 75,000, they will have to find an extra $2300 to send to washington. if you managed to make over $200,000 on the income mark it will be a big jump up, send a check to...